Walking on Paths created by our Rishis- Come! -XII
Witness self (sakshi Chaitanya) and Individual self (jiva chaitanya)
Soumyasrajan
December 06, 2011
Are there two different selves-existences?
According to our model so far, self (our absolute existence), which is absolute is eternal, free from feelings, birth or death etc. On the other hand, we generally do not feel our self at all in such sentiments.
The self with which are familiar in our thinking, feeling in our daily life is the one which feels happy, sad, active dull. The self seems to suffer with pain, hunger, thirst. We
sometimes feel active, some other time, dull or sometimes weak and at other times strong. Our self seems to be born and it dies. While there is no doubt according to our analysis, using which we have built the model so far, that our absolute existence, which we should think of, as our self is the unique Brahman itself.
It encompasses all existence and it beyond all such feelings. Then how do we explain this feeling, which is so different. Are there two different selves?
The feeling of difference is caused due to boundaries built by ajnana
In a way we have already seen the reason also. Due to ajnana, we draw “boundary” around us and start associating ourselves with a “minor part of Brahman”, identifying ourselves with our body, our mind etc. We associate ourselves with, just the time of this moment, at each moment. In empirical universe we do not, have “ability” to look at past, future etc. with the same vision as we have for the present via our sense perceptions.
Our self (absolute existence) does not feel any pain, sorrow, from etc.- each and every event of past, present or future, is by definition already a part of it
If we identify ourselves with Brahman, clearly all pain, all sorrow, all suffering, all the happiness, sadness, hunger, thirst, dullness, weakness, strength, death, birth any event, one can think of not just associated with oneself but with in any living or nonliving, all knowledge each and every thing is part of our self.
Our self (absolute existence) with such identification, clearly is beyond any feeling of pain or sorrow or time etc. each and every event is already part of it. It has been already “aware of it”; hence it will not feel any such sentiment, shape or time.
Self (absolute existence, sakshi chaitanya) is a “silent immutable witness (sakshi, drashta)” of each and every event, each and every sentiment, without being affected by it- it is an alibi
On the other hand it is always with us. Even in deep sleep it is there with us, we have given enough arguments to ascertain this fact (see part VIII-absolute existence). Looking at this scene, it is practically clear that it is a sort of witness to each and every event of our life, without at all getting affected by it. Each aspect of our life is recorded (witnessed) by it, but it neither takes part in any action, nor gets it affected by it. It is our consciousness, but all actions are taken by other elements, like mind, body etc. The consciousness is just an alibi, a witness. That is the reason that our absolute self has been called by philosophers or rishis a sakishi chaitanya (witness self or witness consciousness, pure consciousness, immutable self (kutastha)).
Jiva chaitanya (individual self)- a reflection of sakshi chaitanya
Individual self with whom we are familiar, is the one, which is identified with mind (antahkarana). Further being identified with mind, it also gets identified with the physical body and the organs. The individual self finds expressions as ego (aham) primarily through I-ness (ahamkara), a mode of mind.
This results in expressions like “I doubt”, “I am sure”, “I am alive”, “I am happy” etc. Similarly one has the general feeling “I work hard through my hands”, “as far as I can see”, “I know’ Or “my mind knows” etc. Note that all these are the modes of mind. But because of ajnana the self feels it associated with it.
Individual self – karta (doer), bhokta (experience), chidbhasa (reflected self)
It is the individual self (jiva chaitanya) which functions as cognizer, doer (karta) or experiencer (bhokta). It has such feelings because of ajnana. One can think of individual self as the reflection of our absolute existence, the witness self (sakshi chaitanya) in the empirical universe. For this reason individual self is also called the reflected self (chidbhasa).
Witness self is the only one with absolute existence and shining behind reflected self and physical objects like mind, body etc.
Note that the only absolute existence is that of witness self. It is the only one, which shines with existence in the absolute universe. Reflected self does not exist independently. Its existence is because of shine (existence) of absolute self. So is the fact with mind or body etc. The mind, body etc. are just physical objects, with no consciousness (the absolute existence is hidden in them). Their consciousness is only because of shining of witness self.
It is the witness self, who is the witness of all observations, knowledge, ignorance etc. The mental states or the individual self involved in these processes are actually manifestations of witness self, due to ajnana.
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad (Chapter III), which is associated with Yujurveda, expresses some of these facts in very poetic colorful style
“You cannot see that which the witness of vision is; you cannot hear that which the bearer of hearing is; you cannot think that which is the thinker of the thought; you cannot know that which is the knower of knowledge. This is your self that is within all; everything else but that is perishable”
Here is another nice poetic expression from Isha Upanishad (Chapter 3) for witness self and its reflection
“It moves and it does not move. It is far and it is also near. It is inside all that and it is also outside all this”
Witness self cannot be perceived by using sense organs, mind etc.? How does one understand it, identify with it to understand properly our universe?
How does one perceive witness self? It does not do anything, of the type, we are familiar with. Generally, we depend on sense perceptions via mind for our perceptions. But absolute existence is clearly beyond any such perception. It is there, even when we are in deep sleep, when all such modes of perception are not there. So clearly sense perception and all our usual methods of understanding will be of no use.
Verbal testimony, dhyana (meditation with the help of symbol), nididhyasana (reflection and right apprehension)
These are the tools to understand and identify with sakshi chaitanya (witness self). We will study more details of these ideas later in next few parts. Verbal testimony (knowledge via verbal conveyance, from an authoritative source) is an important tool in Indian style philosophies for obtaining valid knowledge, an idea quite different from philosophies developed in other countries
I can know you are happy only if you tell me
We will study in a little more about it later. Let us just now assume this idea. Vedas (specially shruti) are the most authorities sources in this respect. One problem with mental modes of another person is that they cannot be perceived by sense perceptions. I can know you are happy only if you tell me.
Knowledge via verbal testimony has to be valid and should not contradict any valid knowledge obtained using other tools.
These were the ideas which led Indian philosophers to this idea of importance of verbal testimony. But one has to be careful also. Knowledge via verbal testimony about empirical universe has to be valid and should not contradict valid knowledge obtained from any other sources, like sense perception or rational arguments etc. No statement in Veda or Upanishad contradicts our general understanding of empirical universe. It, in fact generally helps in understanding better
Mahavakyas
There are four mahavakyas in Shruti which are considered important for understanding of this model of universe as well as self.
1. prajnanam brahma - "Consciousness is Brahman"
(Aitareya Upanishad 3.3 of the Rig Veda)
2. ayam ātmā brahma - "This Self (Atman) is Brahman"
(Mandukya Upanishad1.2 of the Atharva Veda)
3. tat tvam asi - "Thou art That"
(Chandogya Upanishad 6.8.7 of the Sama Veda)
4. aham brahmāsmi - "I am Brahman"
(Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.10 of the Yajur Veda)
These sentences were written with a great understanding. But one must not get carried away and think of them as only something for singing praise of etc. They are for manana (reflection, understanding them using observations, rational arguments and other tools) And then using tools like dhyana or nididhyasana.
We will discuss these tools in more details. But to learn about them first we must have a little more clear vision of this relationship between individual self and witness self.
Analogies are very great tools to understand them. We will give some analogies in next part. Then we will also need to understand process of developing understanding and identification with knowledge, which we will discuss. With that we should be ready with discussions on these tools like dhyana (meditation) and nididhyasana (reflection and right apprehension).
Previous XI Ajnana and Cosmic maya
Next Reflection of Sun, Projective Geometry, stereographic projection
References
Images are from
http://www.collectiveself.com/self-organizing-groups2/le arning-and-self-organizing-groups/learning-about-myself-thro ugh-the-doorway-of-self-organizing-group
http://magicofawaken ing.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/understanding-meditation/
http:/ /psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta
http://gemsofindia nthought.in/category/gallery/
http://lnx.isvara.org/it/index. php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=11&id=4623&Itemid=1000 83
http://www.suddhadharma.net/content/prec.html
http://www.el ephantjournal.com/2010/02/why-108-sun-salutations/
http://www .indianetzone.com/38/ayam_atma_brahma.htm
Witness self (sakshi Chaitanya) and Individual self (jiva chaitanya)
Soumyasrajan
December 06, 2011
Are there two different selves-existences?
According to our model so far, self (our absolute existence), which is absolute is eternal, free from feelings, birth or death etc. On the other hand, we generally do not feel our self at all in such sentiments.
The self with which are familiar in our thinking, feeling in our daily life is the one which feels happy, sad, active dull. The self seems to suffer with pain, hunger, thirst. We
sometimes feel active, some other time, dull or sometimes weak and at other times strong. Our self seems to be born and it dies. While there is no doubt according to our analysis, using which we have built the model so far, that our absolute existence, which we should think of, as our self is the unique Brahman itself.
It encompasses all existence and it beyond all such feelings. Then how do we explain this feeling, which is so different. Are there two different selves?
The feeling of difference is caused due to boundaries built by ajnana
In a way we have already seen the reason also. Due to ajnana, we draw “boundary” around us and start associating ourselves with a “minor part of Brahman”, identifying ourselves with our body, our mind etc. We associate ourselves with, just the time of this moment, at each moment. In empirical universe we do not, have “ability” to look at past, future etc. with the same vision as we have for the present via our sense perceptions.
Our self (absolute existence) does not feel any pain, sorrow, from etc.- each and every event of past, present or future, is by definition already a part of it
If we identify ourselves with Brahman, clearly all pain, all sorrow, all suffering, all the happiness, sadness, hunger, thirst, dullness, weakness, strength, death, birth any event, one can think of not just associated with oneself but with in any living or nonliving, all knowledge each and every thing is part of our self.
Our self (absolute existence) with such identification, clearly is beyond any feeling of pain or sorrow or time etc. each and every event is already part of it. It has been already “aware of it”; hence it will not feel any such sentiment, shape or time.
Self (absolute existence, sakshi chaitanya) is a “silent immutable witness (sakshi, drashta)” of each and every event, each and every sentiment, without being affected by it- it is an alibi
On the other hand it is always with us. Even in deep sleep it is there with us, we have given enough arguments to ascertain this fact (see part VIII-absolute existence). Looking at this scene, it is practically clear that it is a sort of witness to each and every event of our life, without at all getting affected by it. Each aspect of our life is recorded (witnessed) by it, but it neither takes part in any action, nor gets it affected by it. It is our consciousness, but all actions are taken by other elements, like mind, body etc. The consciousness is just an alibi, a witness. That is the reason that our absolute self has been called by philosophers or rishis a sakishi chaitanya (witness self or witness consciousness, pure consciousness, immutable self (kutastha)).
Jiva chaitanya (individual self)- a reflection of sakshi chaitanya
Individual self with whom we are familiar, is the one, which is identified with mind (antahkarana). Further being identified with mind, it also gets identified with the physical body and the organs. The individual self finds expressions as ego (aham) primarily through I-ness (ahamkara), a mode of mind.
This results in expressions like “I doubt”, “I am sure”, “I am alive”, “I am happy” etc. Similarly one has the general feeling “I work hard through my hands”, “as far as I can see”, “I know’ Or “my mind knows” etc. Note that all these are the modes of mind. But because of ajnana the self feels it associated with it.
Individual self – karta (doer), bhokta (experience), chidbhasa (reflected self)
It is the individual self (jiva chaitanya) which functions as cognizer, doer (karta) or experiencer (bhokta). It has such feelings because of ajnana. One can think of individual self as the reflection of our absolute existence, the witness self (sakshi chaitanya) in the empirical universe. For this reason individual self is also called the reflected self (chidbhasa).
Witness self is the only one with absolute existence and shining behind reflected self and physical objects like mind, body etc.
Note that the only absolute existence is that of witness self. It is the only one, which shines with existence in the absolute universe. Reflected self does not exist independently. Its existence is because of shine (existence) of absolute self. So is the fact with mind or body etc. The mind, body etc. are just physical objects, with no consciousness (the absolute existence is hidden in them). Their consciousness is only because of shining of witness self.
It is the witness self, who is the witness of all observations, knowledge, ignorance etc. The mental states or the individual self involved in these processes are actually manifestations of witness self, due to ajnana.
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad (Chapter III), which is associated with Yujurveda, expresses some of these facts in very poetic colorful style
“You cannot see that which the witness of vision is; you cannot hear that which the bearer of hearing is; you cannot think that which is the thinker of the thought; you cannot know that which is the knower of knowledge. This is your self that is within all; everything else but that is perishable”
Here is another nice poetic expression from Isha Upanishad (Chapter 3) for witness self and its reflection
“It moves and it does not move. It is far and it is also near. It is inside all that and it is also outside all this”
Witness self cannot be perceived by using sense organs, mind etc.? How does one understand it, identify with it to understand properly our universe?
How does one perceive witness self? It does not do anything, of the type, we are familiar with. Generally, we depend on sense perceptions via mind for our perceptions. But absolute existence is clearly beyond any such perception. It is there, even when we are in deep sleep, when all such modes of perception are not there. So clearly sense perception and all our usual methods of understanding will be of no use.
Verbal testimony, dhyana (meditation with the help of symbol), nididhyasana (reflection and right apprehension)
These are the tools to understand and identify with sakshi chaitanya (witness self). We will study more details of these ideas later in next few parts. Verbal testimony (knowledge via verbal conveyance, from an authoritative source) is an important tool in Indian style philosophies for obtaining valid knowledge, an idea quite different from philosophies developed in other countries
I can know you are happy only if you tell me
We will study in a little more about it later. Let us just now assume this idea. Vedas (specially shruti) are the most authorities sources in this respect. One problem with mental modes of another person is that they cannot be perceived by sense perceptions. I can know you are happy only if you tell me.
Knowledge via verbal testimony has to be valid and should not contradict any valid knowledge obtained using other tools.
These were the ideas which led Indian philosophers to this idea of importance of verbal testimony. But one has to be careful also. Knowledge via verbal testimony about empirical universe has to be valid and should not contradict valid knowledge obtained from any other sources, like sense perception or rational arguments etc. No statement in Veda or Upanishad contradicts our general understanding of empirical universe. It, in fact generally helps in understanding better
Mahavakyas
There are four mahavakyas in Shruti which are considered important for understanding of this model of universe as well as self.
1. prajnanam brahma - "Consciousness is Brahman"
(Aitareya Upanishad 3.3 of the Rig Veda)
2. ayam ātmā brahma - "This Self (Atman) is Brahman"
(Mandukya Upanishad1.2 of the Atharva Veda)
3. tat tvam asi - "Thou art That"
(Chandogya Upanishad 6.8.7 of the Sama Veda)
4. aham brahmāsmi - "I am Brahman"
(Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.10 of the Yajur Veda)
These sentences were written with a great understanding. But one must not get carried away and think of them as only something for singing praise of etc. They are for manana (reflection, understanding them using observations, rational arguments and other tools) And then using tools like dhyana or nididhyasana.
We will discuss these tools in more details. But to learn about them first we must have a little more clear vision of this relationship between individual self and witness self.
Analogies are very great tools to understand them. We will give some analogies in next part. Then we will also need to understand process of developing understanding and identification with knowledge, which we will discuss. With that we should be ready with discussions on these tools like dhyana (meditation) and nididhyasana (reflection and right apprehension).
Previous XI Ajnana and Cosmic maya
Next Reflection of Sun, Projective Geometry, stereographic projection
References
Images are from
http://www.collectiveself.com/self-organizing-groups2/le arning-and-self-organizing-groups/learning-about-myself-thro ugh-the-doorway-of-self-organizing-group
http://magicofawaken ing.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/understanding-meditation/
http:/ /psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta
http://gemsofindia nthought.in/category/gallery/
http://lnx.isvara.org/it/index. php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=11&id=4623&Itemid=1000 83
http://www.suddhadharma.net/content/prec.html
http://www.el ephantjournal.com/2010/02/why-108-sun-salutations/
http://www .indianetzone.com/38/ayam_atma_brahma.htm